SENATOR DEAN SMITH SHADOW ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR COMPETITION, CHARITIES AND TREASURY LIBERAL SENATOR FOR WESTERN AUSTRALIA TRANSCRIPT – INTERVIEW WITH GARY ADSHEAD TOPICS: Election campaign, NDIS, public service cuts, superannuation, schools curriculum E&OE GARY ADSHEAD You through till six o’clock, of course, here on 720 ABC drive, and we’re going to get into our campaign next with Liberal Senator Dean Smith and the Resources Minister for the Government, Madeleine King. One of them is in Canberra, and that would be Madeleine, if I can find her. Are you there? Madeleine? MADELEINE KING I am Gary. I believe we passed over the Nullarbor with Dean. DEAN SMITH Like planes in the night, or planes in the afternoon. I was coming back, and you were going. GARY ADSHEAD Well, welcome to the studio. What to start with. This is a bit unusual, but I was just talking about NDIS issues leading up to the news, Madeleine, and our phones have lit up. I don’t know whether we’ve hit on something here, but it was a mother just telling us that her son’s plan had changed suddenly, and she’s now having to sort of go backwards to try and get it all back in place. I’ll just take a couple of calls on this, and you guys feel free to jump in on the conversation. Hi, Melinda, you there? CALLER: Yes, I am. GARY ADSHEAD Okay, you are a former local coordinator for NDIS. Is that right? CALLER: WA NDIS, before Mark McGowan. We worked very hard to keep the WA NDIS, but then it went, switched over to the federal model, which is very different in operation, to how we used to do it in WA, which was a lot cheaper, more person centred, very individualised to the person and the family. And we’d have unfunded strategies, not just funded strategies. I remember one plan I had for a schizophrenic client, and he didn’t have any funding. He didn’t need it. He was doing great. So, he was an example of an unfunded plan that we had, but he had all these community social supports in there, you know. I just think if we could ever go back to the WA model, that would just be great. I don’t know if that would be very difficult to achieve… GARY ADSHEAD Thanks for the call, Melinda. I mean, Dean, hearing what I was talking about before the news. Do you get many constituents come to you at all? DEAN SMITH Well, I was listening outside the studio to the segment, and it reminded me, I have got one or two matters before me at the moment where I’m advocating for people who have, like the story that you aired, people without any warning, without any preparation, they find that their NDIS program is significantly reduced. There’s not an explanation for it. During the end of COVID I had a very heart wrenching experience. A mother came to see me. She had a severely disabled young son with all sorts of challenges. Happy to report that we were successful in putting fresh information before the NDIS, making the case strongly, and she was able to have that funding restored. So, what I would say to people is: collate the information. If you don’t feel like you are getting a fair hearing from the NDIS, then go and see your local Parliamentarian, because that is one of the reasons why Madeleine and myself are there to advocate on behalf of people. I’ve got one very important matter at the moment, which listening to your program reminded me that, you know, I must stay on top of it, because I do think what Melinda just said about where we’ve got to as opposed to where we’ve come from, I think it’s very, very true to say that the West Australian disability service model that existed before the NDIS was very, very good. It was very grassroots. People felt very, very connected to the system. And I remember very clearly Colin Barnett, who was the premier at the time, arguing strongly that we should have a federated NDIS model rather than a national model. And in making that point, Colin Barnett was really wanting to preserve all that was good about the West Australia model, as well as take up some of the benefits that might have accrued from the national body. But all I say to people, and it is tragic because it comes to people often. These sorts of things come to people without any warning, at a time when people are under a lot of personal and financial pressure. What I say to your listeners is, reach out to someone. Reach out to a service provider. Reach out to your local Parliamentarian. Gather all the necessary evidence, the doctor’s evidence, the specialist evidence, and make the case. There are examples where people have had their funding packages restored. GARY ADSHEAD All right. Madeleine, I don’t know whether constituents have come to you of late or not, and sort of asked for help on this one. MADELEINE KING Hi Gary and Hi Dean. I just say, I mean, I’d back in actually, what Dean said is that the electorate offices are there to help in regard to many inquiries, but particularly NDIS and yes, I’ve had people come to my office, and my staff have helped them get through some of these challenges in the system. I would say it is a very complex System, the NDIS, but it is, it’s really essential, and I think it’s a very good thing that it’s a bipartisan policy now in this country where people with disability can get that support. It does need to be sustainable, and that’s challenging. I’m sorry, I didn’t hear the story before I got to this. GARY ADSHEAD It was a lady saying that she’s got a son, he’s 18. He’s been on a plan for about four or five years. It…